Cestinex 6 years ago #1. Who would win in a saber duel? Plus he knows shatterpoint. Soon after, Yoda helps Obi-Wan determine Kamino's location despite its erasure from the Jedi Archives, concluding that "only a Jedi" could alter the data. Yoda can at least match and most likely beat Dooku (I think he had to resort to dropping a pillar on Anakin and Obi-Wan to distract Yoda because he knew he would lose if he continued). Suddenly, the darkness is pierced by a blinding purple light. Mace Windu was a Human Jedi Master and arguably the Jedi Order's greatest warrior during the Clone Wars. Are you a TRUE fan? And that Sidious deliberately lost to Mace. Que pasaria si Yoda se enfrentara a Mace Windu. Vaapad won`t be as effective as in Windu`s fight against Palpatine because Revan draws on the dark AND the light side of the force. His legendary Force abilities, unparalleled wisdom, and arguably-supreme bladework grant the advantage over Windu, and we likely never even saw Yoda at his prime. However, Mace and Dooku have been compared before. Curiously, Yoda (and not former apprentice Obi-Wan) is also the first Jedi that Qui-Gon's spirit (who had discovered how to retain consciousness in death) contacts, presumably favoring rate of learning over familial bond.Though rarely seen, Yoda was also talented with the powerful Battle Meditation technique, using the Force to coordinate and enhance all allies (even non-Force users) in a skirmish. Obviously Yoda is Wisest, and is the grand master of the jedi counsil, and has been for probably at least 100 years, but the way I see it is that Windu is the up-and-coming grand master. Es asesinado porDarth Sidious, por sus rayos de fuerza. @darthmaulfistoman said:. Re: Anakin Skywalker and Count Dooku vs Mace Windu and Yoda on September 26th 2020, 9:09 pm Yoda beats Anakin better in every way except endurance and it doesn’t matter because it won’t last longer than a minute. Mace Windu ain't stomping shit.In fact, he isn't even winning. But even though Mace perishes, he seemingly performed much better against Sidious than Yoda, who is forced to retreat in a later duel against the Sith.Even so, I believe Yoda the superior Jedi—let's examine the evidence. I would like to analyze the different points of Anakin’s life and put him up against the only version of Windu that the movie franchise knows. Anakin Skywalker and Mace Windu Obi-Wan Kenobi and YodaRules:RotS versions of all combatants (unless stated otherwise)In character Standard equipment As a Jedi youngling, Windu was assisted by professor Huyang in building his first lightsaber, which possesse… Looking back at Episode 2: Attack of the Clones, you'll see Mace deny Padme's (correct) assertion that Count Dooku was behind her assassination attempt, showing that his Jedi bias clouds his judgment. Scribbling Geek from Singapore on April 13, 2019: I was always of the impression Yoda was the absolute strongest. Windu's Skill: Mace Windu was a formidable warrior and generally considered one of the greatest swordsmen ever produced by the Jedi Order. If the duel did happen 2vs1 Yoda and windu vs Sidious, it would immediately become 1v1 when windu is destroyed before all 3 of them got their lightsabres out. ), again implying Yoda's well-deserved reputation as the Republic's ultimate Jedi. Though Mace is extremely powerful and would put up a good fight, Yoda is older, wiser, more experienced in the Force and possesses considerably more raw power than Windu. The two were close enough that Anakin came to wizened Jedi in a private counseling session near the beginning of Episode 3. Level Seven. [bumps along while driving hijacked truck] "I like this job - I like it!" When Star Wars fans think of Jedi Masters Yoda and Mace Windu, words like “wise,” “powerful,” and “peaceful” come immediately to mind. Did Palpatine purposely lose to Mace Windu, to ensure that Anakin would turn against the Jedi and become his new apprentice?. Overall Windu … Though it was true that he had slowed slightly in the years that Mace Windu had known him, Yoda's skill with a lightsaber was still second to none on the council. They were widely considered to be on par with each other as Jedi, and Dooku had beaten Mace before (the reverse would most likely be true as well). But in all seriousness, Mace Windu would win in a lightsaber battle but yoda is stronger with the force and he can use that anywhere so overall I think yoda would win. Mace Windu vs Yoda. So, at first we have Anakin as a child. BreakofDawn. Mace Windu is by far a better warrior than Yoda. His legendary Force abilities, unparalleled wisdom, and arguably-supreme bladework grant the advantage over Windu, and we likely never even saw Yoda at his prime. Hey guys, for this next character quiz we’re going to be looking at MACE WINDU. Remember, Palpatine may have thrown the fight to spark Anakin's betrayal, and Mace had three Jedi as backup, though they admittedly didn't last long.Additionally, note Sidious was far more worried about facing Yoda alone than Mace alongside three others—he actively tried to flee from Yoda, but confidently confronted Mace's team. Mace Windu beat Palpatine who beat Yoda. I think the singular area where Mace is superior to Yoda is when fighting the Dark Side. Every other time he's fought Dooku or Ventress, he hasn't been in that mindset. As far as the Mace vs. Palpatine fight is concerned, it's worth noting that George Lucas said Mace overpowered Palpatine and indicated that Palpatine was really trying to "destroy" Mace. Despite the darker aspects of his nature and his incredible fighting prowess, Mace Windu was also extremely well-known for his diplomacy, with his use of words and legendary reputation settling many conflicts without incident. Mace Windu vs Yoda; User Info: Cestinex. Is/Was Mace stronger than Yoda? Mace Windu es un jedi de la saga deStar Wars. Additionally, Yoda's abilities may have wavered due to the palpable loss from Order 66, disadvantaging him during the clash.Also, in ROTS's novel, Count Dooku notes that he'd only be worried about battling Anakin and Obi-Wan if Yoda joined the fray, showing which Jedi both Sith Lords of the era feared. Yoda also isn't sure who would win between them as of Yoda ark Rendezvous which is mere months prior to RoTS.If anything, he gives Dooku the edge with the word "perhaps". After all, he's over 800 years old; imagine him at a youthful 500! He is able to use the energy of the opponent to defeat them. Mace is trained to embrace both sides of the force, a lot of people think Palps threw the fight but I don't fully agree. Jeremy Gill (author) from Louisiana on July 27, 2020: While I agree that Yoda is stronger than Mace, the film never shows what happens to Palpatine's saber in his fight with Yoda (he simply stops using it after a scene cut)--where does your information that he dropped it come from? ?More context, will you have?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thsFbDtLrVgCheck out some reviews of lightsaber duels!https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDFq63aBi3_y51as156dqVJX16ch4K_DMCheck out my Star Wars Versus Serieshttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDFq63aBi3_x_hhCNeHiT0xbfWUGpXl0JCheck out the Which Series:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDFq63aBi3_yGAJNwozcKYs0OfmgMiqu-Want to share with your non-English speaking friends? Ok, let’s start with dueling feats. However, yoda has also said that Mace Windu appeared to be holding back against Yoda in sparing. „Du bist nicht allein, Rey. Mace Windu beat Palpatine who beat Yoda. Vaapad won`t be as effective as in Windu`s fight against Palpatine because Revan draws on the dark AND the light side of the force. The official Instagram page for Star Wars has recently teased the return of Samuel L. Jackson as Mace Windu in the near ... Mando And Baby Yoda Will Reportedly Return In Future Star Wars Movies. When you’re done, be sure to … 2. Dooku never had a chance at beating Yoda (later on he lost to him on Vjun, a planet steeped in dark side powers, further cementing Yoda's superiority). But instead of surrendering himself to the Force, Yoda (after teaching Obi-Wan how to communicate with Qui-Gon) chooses to spend two long decades alone just to eventually mentor Luke. So palpatine was either disarmed or stopped using his lightsaber out of fear. He was also recognized for being a senior member of the Jedi Council for many years. His skills as a diplomat, along with his courage, integrity, and skill, garnered hi… Mace Windu was a Human Jedi Master and arguably the Jedi Order's greatest warrior during the Clone Wars. I feel that the Emporer was toying with Mace in hopes that Anikin would join the fight and that the Emporer would never allow himself to lose to Mace....Thoughts on who is more right? Aug 12, 2018 4,165 6,966 750. Good fight! on December 9th 2020, 7:36 am ... Mace Windu was cutting loose. Summary. 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Jackson Interview (2013)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubyo5eZz_Jc Among other visions, Yoda saw a hooded figure slay Jedi Masters Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, and Kit Fisto in quick succession. Then prove it! Jedi Council Forums. In Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, Windu leads an attack force of 212 Jedi knights to rescue Anakin Skywalker, Padmé Naberrie, and Obi-Wan Kenobi from the Geonosians and fights in the ensuing battle. Aside from some inaccuracies (long live Cockney Kenobi), it had Obi-Wan defeating Mace Windu and Plo Koon in sabers, ... with Mace espcially doesn't prove that he's better than him given that TPM Mace has quotes saying he's second only to Yoda. Basically he can discover an opponents most minuet weakness. Re: Mace Windu (TPM) vs Savage Opress. As Episode 3's novel reveals, he recognizes that the Sith have evolved over the past millennia while the Jedi have grown stagnant, holding to outdated traditions like age requirements and bans on marriage (both of which Luke ultimately lifts in his Legends timeline's Jedi Order).Yoda also understands that it will fall to others to conquer the Sith, trusting the new generation will vanquish the Empire. "Mace Windu's fighting abilities are second only to Yoda. Yoda vs mace windu So I've always thought about this as mace is the top duelist in the clone wars Era and Yoda is a master of the force. Thus, the aged hermit fulfills his final duty before being one of precious few Jedi to die a peaceful death. Yoda Vs Mace Windu. Yoda disarmed palpatine/scared palpatine into dropping his weapon in 40 seconds. A master of every single form of lightsaber combat and numerous aspects of the Force, only Jedi as powerful as Grand Master Yoda could call themselves his peer in battle. He began his development of the deadly form of combat known as Vaapad, the seventh form of combat which completed (to the Jedi) the Juyo form. If he stops using the saber, there has to be a reason, and it can’t be he simply preferred to use the force, but rather he thought that that would improve his chances of success. Where Mace arrogantly denied a former Jedi's corruption, Yoda accurately deduced the potential of a fallen Knight, showcasing his superior intuition. In addition to Yoda's arguably-superior battle skills, he was much wiser than Mace. Yoda is one of the very few jedi masters to outspar Mace Windu. Mace Windu was a Jedi Master from Haruun Kal. After all, he's over 800 years old; imagine him at a youthful 500! Once Anakin made his choice...Palpatine effortlessly blasted Windu off his feet and out the window....cackling wildly about unlimited power the whole time. Once Anakin made his choice...Palpatine effortlessly blasted Windu off his feet and out the window....cackling wildly about unlimited power the whole time. 2. 2)), and thus he is much much younger than Yoda. He was often recognized as one of the greatest Jedi, second only to Yoda during his time. The room is dark and quiet, the silence broken by the heavy breathing of two shadowy figures. Mace Windu dies, and Yoda can't defeat Darth Sidious. After his failure to destroy Sidious, Yoda retreats into exile on Dagobah, but gains clarity few Jedi of his age possessed. Mace Windu was made to fight/understand the Sith if they should ever return. After all, he's over 800 years old; imagine him at a youthful 500!Additionally, while the Jedi Council governs other Jedi, their elected leader is the Grand Master—a position Yoda long filled. Mace alone could've beaten him if not for stupid anakin. Um… No question there. Yoda is powerful but mace windups can use the power of being played by samuel l jackson to defeat him. From what's presented on-screen, it's possible he simply "holstered" it to focus on bombarding Yoda with Force attacks. A master of every single form of lightsaber combat and numerous aspects of the Force, only Jedi as powerful as Grand Master Yoda could call themselves his peer in battle. So Palpatine might not have actually thrown the lightsaber duel as many seem to think. He was a master of all seven forms of lightsaber combat. Tiene un sable de luz morado (que es una combinación del rojo y el azul). Overall Windu … Here we go -in the training ground … BreakofDawn. Mace fans cite his Shatterpoint technique and duel against Darth Sidious in Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith as evidence of his power. Everyone knows he can hang with Yoda and Sidious in the right mindset. He is human (yes they still call them humans in this galaxy far far away (ep. No need to ask though because it has already been answered. Mace Windu era un korun que fue un prominente Maestro Jedi durante los últimos años de la República Galáctica.Proveniente del mundo de Haruun Kal, Windu sirvió como uno de los últimos miembros del Alto Consejo Jedi antes de la Gran Purga Jedi.En el Consejo, Windu a menudo era considerado segundo sólo al Gran Maestro Yoda, a pesar de que Windu tenía ocho siglos menos que Yoda. Right!? As such, he commanded incredible influence over the Jedi Council and subsequently the Jedi Order itself. Let’s put your Star Wars knowledge to the test. In the most recent episode as well, Baby Yoda was seen communicating with the Jedi Temple, something Ahsoka said would cause him to reach out to living Jedi through the force. Mace did the same in one minute and 30 seconds. But in at least one comic book story, fans got to see a dream come true for Samuel L. Jackson, as his Star Wars character shows he has more in common with Pulp Fiction's Jules Winnfield than most realize. Mace betrayed his principles And attempted to execute the democratically elected leader of the republic without a trial, and Aniken was forced to act to uphold the law. In addition to his often-seen telekinetic powers, Yoda's the only shown Jedi who deflects Force Lightning (from both Dooku and Sidious) with his bare hands—less-skilled Jedi like Obi-Wan and even Mace have to block it with their blades.And consider Obi-Wan's remark upon checking Anakin's midi-chlorian count in Episode 1: The Phantom Menace, stating his value exceeds even Yoda's, implying Yoda had the highest known concentration (and thus Force potential). Right!? Re: Windu vs Dooku & Ventress. Mace and Yoda should take this. However, unlike Mace, Yoda actually gave Anakin a chance when he was accepted, showing him the brighter sides of the Jedi Order. Yoda deberia ganar por fisico y velocidad, a pesar de que se ve menos temible que Windu. Revan vs. Windu would be a pretty fair match in my opinion. The real question to ask is Palps vs Yoda: Who's really stronger? — Mace Windu zu Rey (Quelle) Im Jahr 35 NSY offenbarte sich auf Exegol der eigentlich verstorbene Imperator Palpatine, der von den Toten zurückgekehrt war, mit seiner Letzten Ordnung, einem neuen Sith-Imperium mit einer riesigen Flot… If Mace fights Dooku, he'll use his Vaapad amp to beat him. Mace Windu vs Yoda Mace Windu Votes: 13 38.2% Yoda Votes: 21 61.8% Total voters 34; Monsterkillah Member. After a fierce battle, Mace eventually defeats Sidious, only to be literally disarmed by Anakin, who needed the Sith alive. Re: Darth Sidious and Darth Plageuis vs Yoda and Mace Windu on January 17th 2020, 11:35 pm Ngl, I never considered the possibility of just accepting the TPM quotes then lowballing Yoda. In Episode III, Mace Windu, a user of Vaapad fighting style, fought and disarmed Palpatine.He was defeated until Anakin turned to the dark side and saved him. Re: Anakin Skywalker and Count Dooku vs Mace Windu and Yoda on September 26th 2020, 9:09 pm Yoda beats Anakin better in every way except endurance and it doesn’t matter because it won’t last longer than a minute. The face of none other than Mace Windu, Jedi master. While mace windu would not have the offensive abilities to break through Yoda's defense. A cautious and wary individual, he was opposed to Anakin Skywalker's acceptance into the Jedi Order and was doubtful of th… Yoda would of course stomp Windu, but I personally believe if they were entered into a Sith fighting ring where they had to fight Sith warriors one by one until they eventually fell, Mace would last longer and take more of them down. Did Palpatine foresee this? Concerning force powers, Revan should be at Windu`s level. Team Jedi wins, hands down. We see Yoda pushing palpatines saber to the side, then Palpatine says aaahhh and is visibly struggling to hold on to the lightsaber. Mace betrayed his principles And attempted to execute the democratically elected leader of the republic without a trial, and Aniken was forced to act to uphold the law. As shown in the Star Wars prequel trilogy, the Republic was filled with powerful Jedi like Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Anakin Skywalker. Mace Windu es un jedi que luchó en las Guerras Clon, es un jedi poderoso. Re: Darth Krayt vs Mace Windu on December 20th 2020, 3:18 pm Mace, my placement of Krayt has shifted around a lot though I've never considered his showing in his fight with Abeloth to be his usual power because he never demonstrated that power level in … Typically, the Order's strongest Jedi earns this role (Luke in the Legends timeline, Satele Shan in the Old Republic, etc. While Mace rivals him in saber skills, Yoda was the Republic's strongest warrior. Even Mace advocates generally concede that Yoda demonstrates superior mastery over the Force. Right!? When Star Wars fans think of Jedi Masters Yoda and Mace Windu, words like “wise,” “powerful,” and “peaceful” come immediately to mind. As such, he commanded incredible influence over the Jedi Council and subsequently the Jedi Order itself. During the Clone Wars, Windu helped overthrow the Separatist occupation o… Off-Topic Discussion. No Mace Windu mastered the 7th form of lightsaber dueling. Back to Windu vs. Yoda. OK. O-Siri. Maybe he preferred using the force, but if that were true then why would he draw his saber in the first place. Thus making Yoda more wise and smarter and definitely stronger than his number 2 lol of the Jedi order. Due to his natural affinity to the Force, Windu was sent to the Jedi Order—a monastic order of protectors, sworn to defend the Galactic Republic, and known as the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy—to learn the Jedi arts. While Yoda has hundreds of years of experience and knowledge of the Force, Mace nearly beat Palpatine, whom Yoda could not. It seems like a very calculated risk to take if so. If it's Anakin vs Dooku and Mace vs Yoda, then team 2 wins. 10. This is something of debate that has been discreetly going on for years, but I can't help but suspect Mace Windu didn't really defeat Palpatine (in a combat sense). More context, will you have? Right! Silhouetted in this light is a face. Watch the movies people who think mace is stronger. So Mace Windu is better than Yoda! So Mace Windu is better than Yoda! Concerning force powers, Revan should be at Windu`s level. @ComocYahweh said:. His legendary Force abilities, unparalleled wisdom, and arguably-supreme bladework grant the advantage over Windu, and we likely never even saw Yoda at his prime. The questions will surround his birthplace, fighting style, words of wisdom, and more. The only edge I would give to windu over Yoda is windu is taller. But despite their abilities, most agree the Jedi Order's strongest warriors were centuries-old Yoda and purple-bladed Mace Windu. This is the moment that defines Mace Windu. The more defiintive answer would be a tie. Windu was a sparring partner of Count Dooku, and is confirmed to have beaten him in the past. Yoda has way better force abilities though. Soon after, he witnessed the same hooded figure assault Mace Windu with a torrent of Force lightning. He didn’t really have time to put it away cause then yoda would have killed him BUT why would palpatine put his saber away. However size matters not lol. Revan vs. Windu would be a pretty fair match in my opinion. But here's where the line blurs, with fans debating which of these two leaders would triumph in battle.Sadly, we never get to see the two duel, but today we'll examine evidence from both sides to draw a logical conclusion about the galaxy's ultimate Jedi Master! He stalemated General Grievous in Labyrinth of Evil. He thought he could beat Yoda with a saber first, then was proved wrong, and either was disarmed, or put his saber away out of fear from Yoda. Windu tambien los detuvo y devolvio, pero con su sable de luz, no con sus manos como Yoda, que sorprendio a Palpatine. Some version of this showdown was foreseen by Jedi Grand Master Yoda during his experience in the Dark Side Cave on Dagobah towards the end of the Clone Wars. Mace solos. Jeremy hopes the Force is with him as he pursues a forensics career in the swamps of Louisiana. Mace Windu was born on the planet Haruun Kal approximately fifty years before the Clone Wars. 1. Yoda detuvo los rayos de Palpatine con las manos, y hasta se los devolvio. My freind said that Yoda failed to kill Palpatine and that Mace had him beat until Anikin stepped in, so in his mind Mace was stronger. Spüre, wie die Macht dich durchströmt, Rey.“ 2. Mace's best case is his battle against Sidious—but did he really outperform the Sith? What would have... Log in or Sign up. But in at least one comic book story, fans got to see a dream come true for Samuel L. Jackson, as his Star Wars character shows he has more in common with Pulp Fiction's Jules Winnfield than most realize. Mace deflects Palpatine's Force Lightning. Bringing Mace Windu back to life also makes him potentially available to appear in the upcoming Obi-Wan Kenobi series. Discussions. However, yoda's lack of offense only prolongs the fight. Yoda, the Strongest Jedi. With many centuries of experience under his belt, Yoda (like Mace) was initially opposed to Anakin's Jedi training—a fear that proved correct. While Mace rivals him in saber skills, Yoda was the Republic's strongest warrior. Thread starter Monsterkillah; Start date Dec 8, 2018; 22 Forums. While Mace rivals him in saber skills, Yoda was the Republic's strongest warrior. You give a reasoned argument in favour of Yoda. Deberia ganar por fisico y velocidad, a pesar de que se ve menos temible que Windu over years. 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